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Is there a way to reliably measure antenna return loss outside a lab?

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Assume I'm a complete beginner at RF.

Is there a way to measure return loss of an antenna, in such a manner that I can reliably reproduce the measurement later on?

What I'm talking about is producing the antenna characteristic graph to show what frequency it was adapted to and how wide it is. That is, the classic frequency vs dBm graph with a dip at the expected center frequency.

I've never quite managed to do this in a satisfying manner. I can do it in two ways, either the manual way which involves using a spectrum analyser with tracking generator and a 50ohm directional coupler. I connect the tracking generator to the input of the directional coupler, then measure how much energy that bounces back. I also have access to an antenna measurement instrument that does all of this automatically.

Using either method, I get a graph that looks somewhat correct. The antennas are typically either 433MHz or 902MHz 0 gain omnidirectional with a width of +-/50MHz from center at most.

However, if I nudge the setup and place the antenna slightly differently, or just leave it and do it again another day, the energy dip can move some +/-30MHz. I've tried to use a fixture so that the antenna sits mounted & grounded the same way every time, but still there's considerable variations.

I'm not using any signal damper, could that be a problem? Am I wrong thinking the spec should be able to deal with its own tracking generator?

Or am I naive to think I can do this accurately outside a lab? Will EMI really affect measurements that much?

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Andy aka‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

EMI could do that. Maybe make an antenna that works in a close but quiet part of the spectrum and test?

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

@Andy aka‭ The purpose here is to measure pre-made antennas from various manufacturers to see if they can be used for the specific frequency. Still, if EMI is the cause, then moving the fundamental to some quiet band won't be reliable either, because I'd still get harmonics from TV/radio broadcasts etc. And misc radiated noise from whatever electronics that happen to be in the room. Spectrum analyzer, voltage supply, computers etc.

coquelicot‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

Spectrum analyser + tracking generator sounds more complicated than a (vector) network analyser, which is especially designed for this task (and other). Note that there are now cheap so called "nano-vna" on the market that give decent results for antennas up to 1GHz.

Lundin‭ wrote almost 3 years ago

@coquelicot‭ It's not complicated at all assuming you got the stuff already :) Though a high quality directional coupler costs a bit. Tracking generators are very easy to use, just attach two coax to input & output on the spec, then click on the button that says tracking generator, and that's pretty much it.

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