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I have this circuit:

I think that R3 acts like a feedback path from the output to the input.However I am not sure what will happen if I change the value from 100Ohms to lets say 1kOhms.

I have this image in mind:

and I know the open loop gain must be close to 1 since we have a common collector(and relatively big value resistors) but I dont have any idea what kind of feedback this circuit has.

What kind of feedback is there in this circuit?And which is the value of the feedback factor?

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Better, but still needs work. (1 comment)
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There is no input shown and no output shown and, with the component values you have shown, the BJT mi... (2 comments)
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You are asking about feedback in this circuit, and how R3 fits into that:

First, note that the circuit is an emitter follower, and has a voltage gain less than 1. Second, R3 bypasses the transistor for most input voltages.

The block diagram you show is usually meant to be used when the forward open-loop gain is relatively large, and some negative feedback is supplied. The math still works whether the above is true or not, but the result is rarely of any use when G is small. In this case G is a bit less than 1, not 105 like an opamp might have.

Another big gotcha is the DC offset from input to output. When the transistor is conducting, Vo will be one diode drop below Vi. Let's say the B-E voltage needs to be at least 600 mV to result in meaningful collector current. At 600 mV B-E, there will be 6 mA thru R3. That causes 6 V across R1.

For output voltages of 6 V or less (input voltages of 6.6 V or less), the transistor isn't really doing anything. The output is just the input thru the voltage divider of R3 and R1. There is no feedback anywhere.

Above about 6.6 V input, the transistor will contribute some of the output current. It will do so more as the input voltage goes higher, but that stops when the 10 V supply limit is reached. In this range, the circuit is a classic emitter follower with 100 Ω leakage around it for some reason. R3 is definitely not providing feedback. If anything, you could say it's providing some feed-forward.

You can think of an emitter follower as working on internal feedback in the transistor. There is surely much material on emitter followers out there.

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Quote (last sentence): "You can think of an emitter follower as working on internal feedback in the t... (3 comments)
Quote (last sentence): "You can think of an emitter follower as working on internal feedback in the t...
LvW‭ wrote over 2 years ago

Quote (last sentence): "You can think of an emitter follower as working on internal feedback in the transistor." Negative feedback ist realized by the emitter resistor - not "internal...in the transistor".

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote over 2 years ago

You can think of it that way. With the base voltage held constant, the transistor itself produces more emitter current when the emitter voltage drops.

LvW‭ wrote over 2 years ago

When discussing feedback we always have two basic parts: (1) An active device and (2) a feedback path. Without such a feedback path (which closes the feedback loop) there is no feedback at all - we have a so-called "open-loop gain". In the case under discussion, the resistor Re constitutes the feedback path and the loop gain is Aloop=-gm*Re (gm=transconductance). I think, this is the only way for explaining the feedback effect for a common-collector stage.