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Why would a standby UPS fail to power devices when there's no power outage?

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I have an ordinary consumer-grade standby UPS with, I believe, ample power for the devices connected to it.[1] It's five years old. For the second time in about a month, I've found my computer powered off and the UPS apparently without power (indicator light was off). Both times, I pressed the power button until the UPS's light came on, then restarted the computer and carried on without apparent problems. In neither case was there a power outage or discernible power disruption (nothing else in the house, including another UPS, had problems).

My first thought was that the UPS's battery had failed (I know they are not immortal), but then I read up on the difference between standby and line-interactive UPSs and found that my mental model was wrong. I thought the house current fed the UPS which then fed the computer, and if the battery in between was bad that would cause problems downstream. According to several articles I read (example), that's actually how a line-interactive UPS works and a standby UPS, in contrast, switches to the battery during a power outage but otherwise just passes house current through to the devices plugged into it. If that is the case, then even if the UPS's battery is failing, I don't understand why that would matter when the house power isn't out.

In the end I want to ensure that I have reliable power to my computer, which might mean replacing this UPS, and I almost asked this question on Power Users, but I'm asking on Electrical Engineering because I'd like to understand how a UPS works and why I'm seeing this behavior. What could cause a UPS to shut itself down and stop passing power through? For example, if it can't keep the battery charged, does a UPS shut down entirely rather than lead you to believe you have backup power? (If so, is that universal, or is it something I can screen for in my next UPS?) Are there diagnostics I could do as an ordinary user without any special electrical-testing tools to understand what's happening?


  1. The UPS spec says 800VA 450W. It's powering a Mac Mini, a monitor (that sleeps when not in use), one external hard drive (Time Machine), a USB hub (keyboard, headset), a network hub, and an infrequently-used printer. This was the biggest UPS I found on the ordinary consumer market at the time I bought it (2018). I don't understand enough about voltage and wattage to evaluate this collection of stuff against this UPS, so maybe I am in fact overloading it? ↩︎

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[meta] In the big scheme of things, this is a Power User question. (3 comments)
How often are the power outages? What's the model of the UPS ? (3 comments)
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Now that you've supplied a link to the product, I can provide a different take on this affair. Your "UPS" is an Amazon Basics model described at https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073Q3BSPG/?th=1.

First, it's clear that unit is optimized for one parameter only, which is minimum possible price while still getting enough ordinary unsophisticated consumers to buy it.

The sales blurb does mention "battery backup", but it seems impossible to nail that down to any quantifiable specs. They claim (at this point I wouldn't be too surprised if some of these claim are flat-out fabrications) to be able to provide 450 W. That's a reasonable number and sounds nice, but the all-important spec of how long it can provide that when the power goes away is completely missing. It might only be able to hold up the output for 2 seconds, and you wouldn't be able to complain it wasn't working.

If you scroll down that page past a bunch of other stuff they're trying to sell you, you eventually get to a section "Compare with similar items". Note that they won't tell you the runtime, even though they do for other models!

In other words, the run time is so bad that they don't want to admit what it is. This thing has the cheapest possible battery they could find that holds together just long enough to arrive intact and look like it's working for a while.

I got curious, so tried to dig into this more. Scrolling even further down the page you get to "Product guides and documents". The "product documention" just describes the warranty. Clicking on "User guide" lets you download a ZIP file. However, the ZIP archive contains only one file, and that's an EXE, not a PDF despite what the link says. No, I'm not going to run a mislabeled EXE from a questionable company, so I deleted it.

The "User manual" did turn out to be a PDF. I can see why it's hidden way far from where they try to sell you the unit. There are things in there they don't want you to see before buying it. Point 1 under "Basic Operation" has an interesting disclaimer in bold:

There are a few more gems in the warnings section:

I didn't look up those standards, but they clearly know this unit doesn't provide the performance required by those who have looked into such things.

In other words, "We cut as many corners as possible to make this thing cheap, because we're aiming for a market where customers buy on price. As a result, it's so flimsy you can't even take it for a car ride without something breaking. We figure enough will arrive working anyway after shipment to not look too bad. Besides, we plan on being outta here and on to the next scam by the time these things all blow up in the field".

There there is this gem:

They warn you to replace the battery only with one of a suitable recommended type. OK so far, but nothing says what the recommended type is, let alone any spec at all about the battery! Clearly nobody was ever intended to actually read this manual. It's just there to make it look like there's a manual and allow someone to check off a box.

The Technical Specifications section provides some interesting information (to the extent you can believe any of it):

Note the brownout transfer of 96 V, and the transfer time of 8 ms. This corroborates what manassehkatz speculated. The unit will switch to battery operation when the line power drops to 96 V, and it will switch over in 8 ms once it decides to. 8 ms is half a line cycle at 60 Hz. Most appliances can ride out 2-3 line cycles of drop out without incident.

It's reasonable for a UPS to be more twitchy in deciding when to switch over. However, that does make you more vulnerable to a bad battery because the unit will switch over in many cases where the bare appliance would have been OK.

All in all, this unit is a piece of crap, with a battery to match. It was deliberately designed to be as cheap as possible and be sold to people that can't tell the difference. Amazon should be ashamed of themselves, but they long ago gave up selling only reputable products.

I'm no longer surprised the battery only lasted five years. The best you can do at this point is to carefully open it up (unplugged and off first!), see what battery is in there, and rig up a way to connect a roughly equivalent off the shelf sealed lead acid battery.

Sorry for the bad news, but it is what it is.

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Thanks for this analysis. I bought that UPS in a hurry because its predecessor had died, and I didn'... (1 comment)
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manassehkatz‭ wrote 10 months ago

I think you will find some of those warnings, for good reason, on APC and other more established brands. And the fact that initially it could provide 10-15 minutes of runtime (though likely closer to 200W than 450W) indicates it isn't that bad. Amazon Basics tends to be bottom of the line but at least safe. Similar to "house brands" in many other contexts. I've bought some Amazon Basics USB cables and a postage scale and some other small things, but for UPSes I stick with APC. What you must stay away from is anything that deals with 120V power and says "Shipped from Amazon, sold by XYZ@#$()#$" - various made-up names. That's where foreign companies play with the import rules and get away with anything - which often means no UL/ETL listing and real safety issues. Not a problem for everything but a big problem when dealing with 120V power. That being said, APC plays games with numbers too - you really have to read the specs - a few $ extra can often get a much better product.

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote 10 months ago · edited 10 months ago

manassehkatz‭: "initially it could provide 10-15 minutes of runtime". Where did you see this? I looked all over for such a spec, but didn't find it. I checked in the user manual and on the web page the device was sold from. The web page just has a dash where the runtime would be (see above), and there was no mention of runtime at all in the user manual.

manassehkatz‭ wrote 10 months ago

From OP's own words.