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Q&A Why is the resistance of water so high and still so dangerous?

why water is such a danger for short circuits if the resistance is so high? Actually, the life safety danger for water is NOT a short circuit. In fact, a short circuit in a typical (all values...

posted 3y ago by manassehkatz‭  ·  edited 3y ago by manassehkatz‭

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#2: Post edited by user avatar manassehkatz‭ · 2021-04-11T14:18:02Z (over 3 years ago)
  • > why water is such a danger for short circuits if the resistance is so high?
  • Actually, the **life safety** danger for water is **NOT** a short circuit. In fact, a short circuit in a typical (all values here are US-centric, other areas of the world have somewhat different ways of handling these issues, though the electricity is the same everywhere) 120V or 240V circuit with a modern circuit breaker will trip in a small fraction of a second. For example, if an electrical device was off, got soaked in water to cause a short circuit, and was then turned on, the likelihood is that the breaker will trip and protect the people, devices and wiring involved quite well.
  • The problem is when you have a **ground fault**. The normal path for power is either between hot and neutral (120V) or between two hot wires (240V). If **all** the power goes from hot to ground instead, the breaker trips (this is a short circuit). The problem is if **some** of the power goes from hot to ground. This can happen in a number of different scenarios, including:
  • * Insulation breakdown
  • * Water providing a moderately high-resistance (because if it was low resistance it would be a short circuit) path to ground
  • * People, pets or other critters (e.g., mice, rats) touching parts of the device that they shouldn't be touching
  • * Component failure
  • * Improper installation
  • etc.
  • This combines especially with the metal frame/case of major appliances being connected to ground (though the problems can also happen with small appliances with plastic cases), because anyone touching that metal would be connected to the current running to ground.
  • People are not, generally speaking, [good conductors](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/latest/great-conductors/). Skin has high resistance, plus if you are not standing on a conductive surface then current won't go into you because it has no way to get *out* of you. However, **skin resistance goes way down** when skin gets wet. Combine that with bare, wet feet and a person could *easily* become part of a circuit. As a result, the biggest concerns with ground fault situations are water areas - kitchens, bathrooms, pools, etc. - and have been gradually extended (as the protective technology has improved and become less expensive) to include garages, unfinished basements, all outside receptacles, etc.
  • In addition, the amount of current needed to injure **or kill** someone is very low, if that current happens to go through your heart. How can it go through the heart? In one hand and out the other (one hand on a device with a ground fault, the other hand on a metal pipe or other grounded appliance) or in one hand and out through the feet (classic pool and bathroom situation).
  • The end result is, without going through all the math here, is that the combination of:
  • * Water, provided it is not totally (distilled) pure, conducts *some* electricity
  • * Water drastically increases the chance of any electricity getting into/out of a person
  • * Ground faults should never happen, but when they do and they are combined with wet people, can be fatal
  • The solution is a **Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter**, or GFCI. This can be part of a circuit breaker or (familiar to most in the US) part of a receptacle with TEST/RESET buttons. A GFCI checks to see if the current going out on hot and neutral (or hot & hot for 240V) matches. If it doesn't, the current is going somewhere else (ground fault) and since that *might* be into a person, it trips fast enough to prevent serious injury or death.
  • Some parts of the world use a Residual Current Device, or RCD. This works much the same as a GFCI, but when it is installed for an entire house (or a large part of a house), it is set to trip at a relatively high level, which helps protect from a lot of problems but does not provide the same level of life safety protection that a GFCI normally provides. GFCI is also often provided on a plug-in appliance (e.g., portable hair dryer) to help protect people using the appliance in places that do not have GFCI protection installed.
  • > why water is such a danger for short circuits if the resistance is so high?
  • Actually, the **life safety** danger for water is **NOT** a short circuit. In fact, a short circuit in a typical (all values here are US-centric, other areas of the world have somewhat different ways of handling these issues, though the electricity is the same everywhere) 120V or 240V circuit with a modern circuit breaker will trip in a small fraction of a second. For example, if an electrical device was off, got soaked in water to cause a short circuit, and was then turned on, the likelihood is that the breaker will trip and protect the people, devices and wiring involved quite well.
  • The problem is when you have a **ground fault**. The normal path for power is either between hot and neutral (120V) or between two hot wires (240V). If **all** the power goes from hot to ground instead, the breaker trips (this is a short circuit). The problem is if **some** of the power goes from hot to ground. This can happen in a number of different scenarios, including:
  • * Insulation breakdown
  • * Water providing a moderately high-resistance (because if it was low resistance it would be a short circuit) path to ground
  • * People, pets or other critters (e.g., mice, rats) touching parts of the device that they shouldn't be touching
  • * Component failure
  • * Improper installation
  • etc.
  • This combines especially with the metal frame/case of major appliances being connected to ground (though the problems can also happen with small appliances with plastic cases), because anyone touching that metal would be connected to the current running to ground.
  • People are not, generally speaking, [good conductors](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/latest/great-conductors/). Skin has high resistance, plus if you are not standing on a conductive surface then current won't go into you because it has no way to get *out* of you. However, **skin resistance goes way down** when skin gets wet. Combine that with bare, wet feet and a person could *easily* become part of a circuit. As a result, the biggest concerns with ground fault situations are water areas - kitchens, bathrooms, pools, etc. - and have been gradually extended (as the protective technology has improved and become less expensive) to include garages, unfinished basements, all outside receptacles, etc.
  • In addition, the amount of current needed to injure **or kill** someone is very low, if that current happens to go through your heart. How can it go through the heart? In one hand and out the other (one hand on a device with a ground fault, the other hand on a metal pipe or other grounded appliance) or in one hand and out through the feet (classic pool and bathroom situation).
  • Also note that in addition to heart attacks or other *direct* injuries, electric shock, even at relatively small levels, can cause secondary problems. Two are particularly worth noting for their danger:
  • * Pools
  • This includes swimming pools, hot tubs, large public fountains - any place where a person can have most of their body in water. A small amount of current may not cause direct damage, but it can cause temporary paralysis, so that the affected people (everyone in the pool at the time) are unable to get out. In addition, rescuers are affected the same way as soon as they walk into the water. This can quickly lead to drowning or actual electrocution (if the ground fault gets worse).
  • * Ladders
  • If you are standing on the floor and get a shock, despite some paralysis you may be able to pull yourself back before you have a serious injury. However, if you are on a ladder when this happens, moving backwards means falling down - trading one type of injury for another!
  • The end result is, without going through all the math here, is that the combination of:
  • * Water, provided it is not totally (distilled) pure, conducts *some* electricity
  • * Water drastically increases the chance of any electricity getting into/out of a person
  • * Ground faults should never happen, but when they do and they are combined with wet people, can be fatal
  • The solution is a **Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter**, or GFCI. This can be part of a circuit breaker or (familiar to most in the US) part of a receptacle with TEST/RESET buttons. A GFCI checks to see if the current going out on hot and neutral (or hot & hot for 240V) matches. If it doesn't, the current is going somewhere else (ground fault) and since that *might* be into a person, it trips fast enough to prevent serious injury or death.
  • Some parts of the world use a Residual Current Device, or RCD. This works much the same as a GFCI, but when it is installed for an entire house (or a large part of a house), it is set to trip at a relatively high level, which helps protect from a lot of problems but does not provide the same level of life safety protection that a GFCI normally provides. GFCI is also often provided on a plug-in appliance (e.g., portable hair dryer) to help protect people using the appliance in places that do not have GFCI protection installed.
#1: Initial revision by user avatar manassehkatz‭ · 2021-04-11T03:30:18Z (over 3 years ago)
> why water is such a danger for short circuits if the resistance is so high?

Actually, the **life safety** danger for water is **NOT** a short circuit. In fact, a short circuit in a typical (all values here are US-centric, other areas of the world have somewhat different ways of handling these issues, though the electricity is the same everywhere) 120V or 240V circuit with a modern circuit breaker will trip in a small fraction of a second. For example, if an electrical device was off, got soaked in water to cause a short circuit, and was then turned on, the likelihood is that the breaker will trip and protect the people, devices and wiring involved  quite well.

The problem is when you have a **ground fault**. The normal path for power is either between hot and neutral (120V) or between two hot wires (240V). If **all** the power goes from hot to ground instead, the breaker trips (this is a short circuit). The problem is if **some** of the power goes from hot to ground. This can happen in a number of different scenarios, including:

* Insulation breakdown
* Water providing a moderately high-resistance (because if it was low resistance it would be a short circuit) path to ground
* People, pets or other critters (e.g., mice, rats) touching parts of the device that they shouldn't be touching
* Component failure
* Improper installation
etc.

This combines especially with the metal frame/case of major appliances being connected to ground (though the problems can also happen with small appliances with plastic cases), because anyone touching that metal would be connected to the current running to ground.

People are not, generally speaking, [good conductors](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/latest/great-conductors/). Skin has high resistance, plus if you are not standing on a conductive surface then current won't go into you because it has no way to get *out* of you. However, **skin resistance goes way down** when skin gets wet. Combine that with bare, wet feet and a person could *easily* become part of a circuit. As a result, the biggest concerns with ground fault situations are water areas - kitchens, bathrooms, pools, etc. - and have been gradually extended (as the protective technology has improved and become less expensive) to include garages, unfinished basements, all outside receptacles, etc.

In addition, the amount of current needed to injure **or kill** someone is very low, if that current happens to go through your heart. How can it go through the heart? In one hand and out the other (one hand on a device with a ground fault, the other hand on a metal pipe or other grounded appliance) or in one hand and out through the feet (classic pool and bathroom situation).

The end result is, without going through all the math here, is that the combination of:

* Water, provided it is not totally (distilled) pure, conducts *some* electricity
* Water drastically increases the chance of any electricity getting into/out of a person
* Ground faults should never happen, but when they do and they are combined with wet people, can be fatal

The solution is a **Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter**, or GFCI. This can be part of a circuit breaker or (familiar to most in the US) part of a receptacle with TEST/RESET buttons. A GFCI checks to see if the current going out on hot and neutral (or hot & hot for 240V) matches. If it doesn't, the current is going somewhere else (ground fault) and since that *might* be into a person, it trips fast enough to prevent serious injury or death.

Some parts of the world use a Residual Current Device, or RCD. This works much the same as a GFCI, but when it is installed for an entire house (or a large part of a house), it is set to trip at a relatively high level, which helps protect from a lot of problems but does not provide the same level of life safety protection that a GFCI normally provides. GFCI is also often provided on a plug-in appliance (e.g., portable hair dryer) to help protect people using the appliance in places that do not have GFCI protection installed.