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Q&A What does it mean for a signal to have impedance?

Impedance Yes, impedance is "extended" resistance. Impedance is really a complex value, with resistance it's real part. The imaginary part represents pure inductance or capacitance (with opposit...

posted 2y ago by Olin Lathrop‭  ·  edited 2y ago by Olin Lathrop‭

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#2: Post edited by user avatar Olin Lathrop‭ · 2023-03-14T13:48:06Z (almost 2 years ago)
  • <h2>Impedance</h2>
  • Yes, impedance is "extended" resistance. Impedance is really a complex value, with resistance it's real part. The imaginary part represents pure inductance or capacitance (with opposite sign). Sometimes we say "impedance" when really only the resistance is relevant. That's OK since resistance <i>is</i> impedance, with the special case of the imaginary part being zero.
  • <h2>The model</h2>
  • It is often useful to model power supplies and signals as being a perfect voltage source in series with some impedance. Equivalently, you can model it as a current source with the same impedance in parallel. This is in fact what the <i>Thevenin</i> and <i>Norton</i> equivalent sources are all about. Look those up if you've not heard of them. Then you can ask questions here if you don't understand something.
  • I'll use the Thevenin model (perfect voltage source in series with finite impedance) here going forward because it's probably a little easier for you to visualize. We are more used to thinking of voltage signals than current signals (although the latter is perfectly valid).
  • <h2>Power supply impedance example</h2>
  • Let's say we have a 12 V power supply. You leave it unloaded and put your perfect voltmeter across it, and it reads exactly 12 V. Hopefully that makes sense so far. Note that the current the supply is producing is 0 in this case. It's easy to produce the right value when you don't have to work at it.
  • What does the supply do when you put a load on it, meaning it has to produce current to maintain the specified voltage? Let's say you put a 6 &Omega; power resistor across the supply. Ideally 2 A would flow. Now you measure the supply voltage and find it's actually only 11.8 V. It dropped 200 mV with a 2 A load. In our model of a perfect 12 V supply with some resistance in series, that resistance is (200 mV)/(2 A) = 100 m&Omega;. If you then test the supply voltage at 1 A and find 11.9 V, and at 3 A and fine 11.7 V, then the Thevenin model seems to fit well.
  • <h2>Signal impedance</h2>
  • The same thing works for signals too. The signal out of an opamp with feedback might be quite low, because the feedback actively makes the opamp push or pull harder when something is loading the output. However, signals from real world transducers, for example, usually have significant impedance.
  • Consider a dynamic microphone, which is basically a coil of fine wire. These are usually designed to have about 600 &Omega; impedance. If the microphone produces a 1 mV signal open-circuit, then that drops to 500 &micro;V when the microphone amplifier loads it with another 600 &Omega;. The internal impedance of the microphone and whatever load you put on it form a voltage divider, and you only get the output of that voltage divider. If the 600 &Omega; microphone is loaded with 1 k&Omega;, then you get (1 k&Omega;)/(600 &Omega; + 1 k&Omega;) = 62.5% of the theoretical ideal voltage source in the microphone. The 1 mV open-circuit signal becomes 625 &micro;V when loaded with 1 k&Omega;.
  • <h2>Noise pickup</h2>
  • Impedance of signals is more than just how much the level drops when loaded. A big issue is that high impedance signals pick up more noise from the environment than low impedance signals. Let's consider the noise being capacitively coupled from the environment to the signal. There is now a voltage divider formed by the capacitance and the signal impedance. Let's say we have an EKG signal with 1 M&Omega; impedance, with 10 pF coupling to a nearby 120 V 60 Hz power cable. 10 pF at 60 Hz has about 265 M&Omega; impedance magnitude. The 120 V from the power wire will be attenuated 266 times onto the EKG signal. That means there will be (120 V)/266 = 450 mV of 60 Hz hum on the EKG signal. Since EKG signal are usually only a few mV, this hum totally swamps the intended signal, making the EKG useless.
  • The lower the impedance of the signal, the less of the same ambient noise is picked up. For example, if the impedance were only 1 k&Omega;, then the power line hum would be 1000 times less, or 450 &micro;V. That's still a large fraction of the intended signal, so not acceptable for an EKG. However, consider the same ambient noise coupling to the signal running from a power amplifier to a loudspeaker. Most loudspeakers have 8 &Omega; impedance, and signal levels are volts, not millivolts. The 60 Hz pickup on a speaker wire is totally irrelevant.
  • <h2>Dealing with noise pickup</h2>
  • So what can you do to mitigate noise pickup? How are EKGs, for example, possible at all? There are several possible strategies:<ol>
  • <li>Make the impedance lower. We already saw why and how that works.
  • <li>Amplify the signal at the source. With a larger signal, the same amount of noise pickup matters less. 1 mV of hum on a 1 mV microphone signal would be totally unacceptable, but the same 1 mV on a 5 V audio signal is a lot less objectionable (although still far from "HiFi").
  • <li>Move away from the noise source. The capacitance between two conductors drops off with distance. Lower capacitance coupling to the same noise results in less noise level on the signal.
  • <li>Shield it. If you enclose the signal wires in a grounded conducting tube, then all that nasty noise is shunted to ground and it's nice and quiet inside the tube. This is what <i>shielded cable</i> is all about.
  • <li>Use differential signalling. You realize that some amount of noise pickup on the wire is inevitable. The trick is to use two symmetric signals of opposite polarity, then make sure both are coupled the same to the ambient environment. The signal is the difference between the two, but the noise will be the same on both. If the receiver subtracts the two voltages, then in theory it gets the signal with the noise cancelling out.
  • Twisted pair wire is useful for this. The point of twisting the two wires is to that each ends up having the same coupling to the environment in the long run.
  • </ol>
  • In practise, a combination of these strategies are usually used. Quality microphones, for example, use differential signalling and shielded cable. They can also contain a small battery-powered amplifier directly in the microphone. That both increases the signal level and decreases the signal impedance on the long wire.
  • EKG signals are high impedance and low level, so you have to use every possible trick to deal with noise. Differential signalling and shielded cable are essential. With an EKG, a neutral point on the body is driven to the average of the two signals. This is often connected to the right leg, since it's furthest from the heart and therefore favors one of the signals least over the other. This right leg signal drives the body to a neutral voltage, actively attempting to cancel the inevitable noise coupled to the body from the environment.
  • <h2>Impedance</h2>
  • Yes, impedance is "extended" resistance. Impedance is really a complex value, with resistance it's real part. The imaginary part represents pure inductance or capacitance (with opposite sign). Sometimes we say "impedance" when really only the resistance is relevant. That's OK since resistance <i>is</i> impedance, with the special case of the imaginary part being zero.
  • <h2>The model</h2>
  • It is often useful to model power supplies and signals as being a perfect voltage source in series with some impedance. Equivalently, you can model it as a current source with the same impedance in parallel. This is in fact what the <i>Thevenin</i> and <i>Norton</i> equivalent sources are all about. Look those up if you've not heard of them. Then you can ask questions here if you don't understand something.
  • I'll use the Thevenin model (perfect voltage source in series with finite impedance) here going forward because it's probably a little easier for you to visualize. We are more used to thinking of voltage signals than current signals (although the latter is perfectly valid).
  • <h2>Power supply impedance example</h2>
  • Let's say we have a 12 V power supply. You leave it unloaded and put your perfect voltmeter across it, and it reads exactly 12 V. Hopefully that makes sense so far. Note that the current the supply is producing is 0 in this case. It's easy to produce the right value when you don't have to work at it.
  • What does the supply do when you put a load on it, meaning it has to produce current to maintain the specified voltage? Let's say you put a 6 &Omega; power resistor across the supply. Ideally 2 A would flow. Now you measure the supply voltage and find it's actually only 11.8 V. It dropped 200 mV with a 2 A load. In our model of a perfect 12 V supply with some resistance in series, that resistance is (200 mV)/(2 A) = 100 m&Omega;. If you then test the supply voltage at 1 A and find 11.9 V, and at 3 A and fine 11.7 V, then the Thevenin model seems to fit well.
  • <h2>Signal impedance</h2>
  • The same thing works for signals too. The signal out of an opamp with feedback might be quite low, because the feedback actively makes the opamp push or pull harder when something is loading the output. However, signals from real world transducers, for example, usually have significant impedance.
  • Consider a dynamic microphone, which is basically a coil of fine wire. These are usually designed to have about 600 &Omega; impedance. If the microphone produces a 1 mV signal open-circuit, then that drops to 500 &micro;V when the microphone amplifier loads it with another 600 &Omega;. The internal impedance of the microphone and whatever load you put on it form a voltage divider, and you only get the output of that voltage divider. If the 600 &Omega; microphone is loaded with 1 k&Omega;, then you get (1 k&Omega;)/(600 &Omega; + 1 k&Omega;) = 62.5% of the theoretical ideal voltage source in the microphone. The 1 mV open-circuit signal becomes 625 &micro;V when loaded with 1 k&Omega;.
  • <h2>Noise pickup</h2>
  • Impedance of signals is more than just how much the level drops when loaded. A big issue is that high impedance signals pick up more noise from the environment than low impedance signals. Let's consider the noise being capacitively coupled from the environment to the signal. There is now a voltage divider formed by that capacitance and the signal impedance. Let's say we have an EKG signal with 1 M&Omega; impedance, with 10 pF coupling to a nearby 120 V 60 Hz power cable. 10 pF at 60 Hz has about 265 M&Omega; impedance magnitude. The 120 V from the power wire will be attenuated 266 times onto the EKG signal. That means there will be (120 V)/266 = 450 mV of 60 Hz hum on the EKG signal. Since EKG signal are usually only a few mV, this hum totally swamps the intended signal, making the EKG useless.
  • The lower the impedance of the signal, the less of the same ambient noise is picked up. For example, if the impedance were only 1 k&Omega;, then the power line hum would be 1000 times less, or 450 &micro;V. That's still a large fraction of the intended signal, so not acceptable for an EKG. However, consider the same ambient noise coupling to the signal running from a power amplifier to a loudspeaker. Most loudspeakers have 8 &Omega; impedance, and signal levels are volts, not millivolts. The 60 Hz pickup on a speaker wire is totally irrelevant.
  • <h2>Dealing with noise pickup</h2>
  • So what can you do to mitigate noise pickup? How are EKGs, for example, possible at all? There are several strategies:<ol>
  • <li>Make the impedance lower. We already saw why and how that works.
  • <li>Amplify the signal at the source. With a larger signal, the same amount of noise pickup matters less. 1 mV of hum on a 1 mV microphone signal would be totally unacceptable, but the same 1 mV on a 5 V audio signal is a lot less objectionable (although still far from "HiFi").
  • <li>Move away from the noise source. The capacitance between two conductors drops off with distance. Lower capacitance coupling to the same noise results in less noise level on the signal.
  • <li>Shield it. If you enclose the signal wires in a grounded conducting tube, then all that nasty noise is shunted to ground and it's nice and quiet inside the tube. This is what <i>shielded cable</i> is all about.
  • <li>Use differential signalling. You realize that some amount of noise pickup on the wire is inevitable. The trick is to use two symmetric signals of opposite polarity, then make sure both are coupled the same to the ambient environment. The signal is the difference between the two, but the noise will be the same on both. If the receiver subtracts the two voltages, then in theory it gets the signal with the noise cancelling out.
  • Twisted pair wire is useful for this. The point of twisting the two wires is so that each ends up having the same coupling to the environment in the long run.
  • </ol>
  • In practice, a combination of these strategies are usually used. Quality microphones, for example, use differential signalling and shielded cable. They can also contain a small battery-powered amplifier directly in the microphone. That both increases the signal level and decreases the signal impedance on the long wire.
  • EKG signals are high impedance and low level, so you have to use every possible trick to deal with noise. Differential signalling and shielded cable are essential. With an EKG, a neutral point on the body is driven to the average of the two signals. This is often connected to the right leg, since it's furthest from the heart and therefore favors one of the signals least over the other. This right leg signal drives the body to a neutral voltage, actively attempting to cancel the inevitable noise coupled to the body from the environment.
#1: Initial revision by user avatar Olin Lathrop‭ · 2023-03-14T13:36:28Z (almost 2 years ago)
<h2>Impedance</h2>

Yes, impedance is "extended" resistance.  Impedance is really a complex value, with resistance it's real part.  The imaginary part represents pure inductance or capacitance (with opposite sign).  Sometimes we say "impedance" when really only the resistance is relevant.  That's OK since resistance <i>is</i> impedance, with the special case of the imaginary part being zero.

<h2>The model</h2>

It is often useful to model power supplies and signals as being a perfect voltage source in series with some impedance.  Equivalently, you can model it as a current source with the same impedance in parallel.  This is in fact what the <i>Thevenin</i> and <i>Norton</i> equivalent sources are all about.  Look those up if you've not heard of them.  Then you can ask questions here if you don't understand something.

I'll use the Thevenin model (perfect voltage source in series with finite impedance) here going forward because it's probably a little easier for you to visualize.  We are more used to thinking of voltage signals than current signals (although the latter is perfectly valid).

<h2>Power supply impedance example</h2>

Let's say we have a 12 V power supply.  You leave it unloaded and put your perfect voltmeter across it, and it reads exactly 12 V.  Hopefully that makes sense so far.  Note that the current the supply is producing is 0 in this case.  It's easy to produce the right value when you don't have to work at it.

What does the supply do when you put a load on it, meaning it has to produce current to maintain the specified voltage?  Let's say you put a 6 &Omega; power resistor across the supply.  Ideally 2 A would flow.  Now you measure the supply voltage and find it's actually only 11.8 V.  It dropped 200 mV with a 2 A load.  In our model of a perfect 12 V supply with some resistance in series, that resistance is (200 mV)/(2 A) = 100 m&Omega;.  If you then test the supply voltage at 1 A and find 11.9 V, and at 3 A and fine 11.7 V, then the Thevenin model seems to fit well.

<h2>Signal impedance</h2>

The same thing works for signals too.  The signal out of an opamp with feedback might be quite low, because the feedback actively makes the opamp push or pull harder when something is loading the output.  However, signals from real world transducers, for example, usually have significant impedance.

Consider a dynamic microphone, which is basically a coil of fine wire.  These are usually designed to have about 600 &Omega; impedance.  If the microphone produces a 1 mV signal open-circuit, then that drops to 500 &micro;V when the microphone amplifier loads it with another 600 &Omega;.  The internal impedance of the microphone and whatever load you put on it form a voltage divider, and you only get the output of that voltage divider.  If the 600 &Omega; microphone is loaded with 1 k&Omega;, then you get (1 k&Omega;)/(600 &Omega; + 1 k&Omega;) = 62.5% of the theoretical ideal voltage source in the microphone.  The 1 mV open-circuit signal becomes 625 &micro;V when loaded with 1 k&Omega;.

<h2>Noise pickup</h2>

Impedance of signals is more than just how much the level drops when loaded.  A big issue is that high impedance signals pick up more noise from the environment than low impedance signals.  Let's consider the noise being capacitively coupled from the environment to the signal.  There is now a voltage divider formed by the capacitance and the signal impedance.  Let's say we have an EKG signal with 1 M&Omega; impedance, with 10 pF coupling to a nearby 120 V 60 Hz power cable.  10 pF at 60 Hz has about 265 M&Omega; impedance magnitude.  The 120 V from the power wire will be attenuated 266 times onto the EKG signal.  That means there will be (120 V)/266 = 450 mV of 60 Hz hum on the EKG signal.  Since EKG signal are usually only a few mV, this hum totally swamps the intended signal, making the EKG useless.

The lower the impedance of the signal, the less of the same ambient noise is picked up.  For example, if the impedance were only 1 k&Omega;, then the power line hum would be 1000 times less, or 450 &micro;V.  That's still a large fraction of the intended signal, so not acceptable for an EKG.  However, consider the same ambient noise coupling to the signal running from a power amplifier to a loudspeaker.  Most loudspeakers have 8 &Omega; impedance, and signal levels are volts, not millivolts.  The 60 Hz pickup on a speaker wire is totally irrelevant.

<h2>Dealing with noise pickup</h2>

So what can you do to mitigate noise pickup?  How are EKGs, for example, possible at all?  There are several possible strategies:<ol>

<li>Make the impedance lower.  We already saw why and how that works.

<li>Amplify the signal at the source.  With a larger signal, the same amount of noise pickup matters less.  1 mV of hum on a 1 mV microphone signal would be totally unacceptable, but the same 1 mV on a 5 V audio signal is a lot less objectionable (although still far from "HiFi").

<li>Move away from the noise source.  The capacitance between two conductors drops off with distance.  Lower capacitance coupling to the same noise results in less noise level on the signal.

<li>Shield it.  If you enclose the signal wires in a grounded conducting tube, then all that nasty noise is shunted to ground and it's nice and quiet inside the tube.  This is what <i>shielded cable</i> is all about.

<li>Use differential signalling.  You realize that some amount of noise pickup on the wire is inevitable.  The trick is to use two symmetric signals of opposite polarity, then make sure both are coupled the same to the ambient environment.  The signal is the difference between the two, but the noise will be the same on both.  If the receiver subtracts the two voltages, then in theory it gets the signal with the noise cancelling out.

Twisted pair wire is useful for this.  The point of twisting the two wires is to that each ends up having the same coupling to the environment in the long run.

</ol>

In practise, a combination of these strategies are usually used.  Quality microphones, for example, use differential signalling and shielded cable.  They can also contain a small battery-powered amplifier directly in the microphone.  That both increases the signal level and decreases the signal impedance on the long wire.

EKG signals are high impedance and low level, so you have to use every possible trick to deal with noise.  Differential signalling and shielded cable are essential.  With an EKG, a neutral point on the body is driven to the average of the two signals.  This is often connected to the right leg, since it's furthest from the heart and therefore favors one of the signals least over the other.  This right leg signal drives the body to a neutral voltage, actively attempting to cancel the inevitable noise coupled to the body from the environment.