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TIA output goes beyond rails - How does it work?

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I was experimenting with a transimpedance amplifier and a photodiode, the circuit was the following: Image_alt_text

Input current was initially calculated to be 500nA, which would produce -2V output. Current source was a photodiode combined with a laser with regulated power. Responsivity of the particular wavelength was known, and it seemed to give expected results.

As I turned the power higher on the laser, I expected the opamp output to saturate close to the power rail, as can be seen in the circuitlab simulation. However, instead, the opamp output seemed to follow below the negative rail, down to -4V (I did not put in more light). Afterwards, when power was reduced, opamp seemed to return to normal operation, I don't think it was damaged. This made me wonder, since photodiode is a current source forcing current through R1, what happens when opamp's output would reach the negative rail? How is it possible to go below the negative rail? What would happen to the extra photons the photodiode receives?

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Simulation or actual circuit? (3 comments)
Simulation or actual circuit?

Are these results you are seeing from a simulation or an actual circuit? V5 might also be backwards depending on the answer. If a simulation, then it probably is putting out -2.5 V on its positive terminal. If a real power supply, then you wired it backwards since the negative output should be on the opamp, and the positive output on ground. Another issue is that TL085 needs a lot of headroom. It's not specified to run from only 5 V.

Hi Olin,

The results are in an actual circuit. V5 is -2.5V in real life as well, the actual opamp is ADA4351-2. I have dual supply on it, 2.5 and -2.5V, and the output went beyond rails when a lot of light was put into the photodiode.

The simulation was to illustrate only what I would expect the circuit to do, which can be seen on top right where output stops at -2.45V.

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote about 20 hours ago

That's important information that should be in the question, not hidden here in a comment.