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Does My Circuit Contain High-Speed Signals?

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My circuit includes the following components:

PIC16 with internal clock, frequency: 32 MHz

ST LED2000 LED driver (a buck converter) with a PWM dimming input. The converter itself isn't a concern regarding this question. I mentioned it only to give a clue for the PWM signal destination.

TI BQ24070RHL battery charger

LED controlled via PWM by the microcontroller.

My question:

Do the following signals qualify as high-speed?

I’m asking this to determine whether I need to ensure a proper return path for them and/or maintain large spacing between them. If not, can I ignore the return path considerations?

Key signals I believe require attention:

  1. Charger outputs – These are open-drain outputs. These outputs are connected to the microcontroller inputs (with internal PU). I couldn't find rise/fall time specifications in the datasheet.
  2. PWM outputs from the microcontroller – Base frequency: 200–500 Hz.

One output goes to the LED driver (possibly with or without a pull-down resistor).

Another output drives an LED.

  1. Push button with a pull-down resistor, connected to a microcontroller input.

Battery Charger datasheet

LED driver

PIC16F18446 Microcontroller

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You are asking for a spot of design review. That's fine. (2 comments)
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Lundin‭ wrote about 1 month ago

In case you are asking this for EMC purposes, the return path isn't as much a concern as sharp edges from the oscillator/PWM/LED driver etc causing radiated emissions. You can still get crosstalk and similar at modest frequencies, but that can be avoided by common PCB layout best practices. It all depends on what EMC requirements you have on the product.

Eyal78‭ wrote about 1 month ago

In this project, there are no formal regulatory or compliance requirements. However, I want to design the board the "right" way—not just to make it work properly, of course.

I'm trying to determine whether I should take all the considerations I've described into account or if this is a relatively simple board, allowing me to disregard some of them. For example, could the board be designed with just two layers? After all, a two-layer board isn’t necessarily a bad choice.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 month ago

Eyal78‭ You can't really design anything without requirements. Normal commercial EMC requirements are pretty lax. It gets harder if you have anything wireless in the product. And then various areas of application have their own EMC requirements: industrial/automotive/medtech etc.

Nowadays I would only use 2 layer boards for really basic stuff like adapter boards for connectors/mechanics. Or in case you have to use through-hole components because of power electronics. There's no cost advantage of 2 layer boards since a decade or two back, so why use them when you can get something better for the same price.