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How to define Vsat for MOSFET as a switch?

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I was looking at this design: Image alt text

It uses MC34063 as switching controller. I wanted to adapt this circuit, and I was busy trying to pick R1 value. The datasheet has following formulas:Image alt text The issue I have is with calculating ton/toff, since Vsat is defined as saturation voltage of switch. The switch is IRF740, and since it is a MOSFET, it does not have a defined saturation voltage, but Rds. Therefore, the saturation voltage is dependent on drain-source current. This is where I get confused, and uncertain regarding how to approach this. How do I find Ipeak that is required for selecting R1 using MOSFET as a switch? It seems like datasheet was written with the assumption that an NPN transistor would be used as a switch.

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$$\boxed{\text{What maximum value of } I_{OUT} \text{ did you have in mind?}}$$

Using $I_{OUT}$ and $V_{OUT}$ we calculate power uplift. Using power uplift and switching frequency, we calculate how much energy the inductor needs to store (and transfer) in each switching cycle: -

$$\text{Power uplift is:} \hspace{1cm}I_{OUT}\cdot(V_{OUT}-V_{IN})$$

$$\text{Energy per switching cycle} = \dfrac{\text{Power Uplift}}{F_{SW}}$$

Assuming the boost converter will work in DCM, we can determine how much peak current needs to be drawn through the boost converter's inductor because: -

$$\text{Energy per switching cycle} = \dfrac{1}{2}\cdot LI_{PK}^2$$

However, I can't say if the boost converter should operate in DCM or CCM without knowing what $I_{OUT}$ is. So, you need to come clean on this. If it operates in CCM then the calculations are slightly different to DCM (see this Q and A on how boost converters work). $$$$ This then dictates how large in value we set R1 in order to "set" the protective current limiting circuit of the chip.


If you know it operates in DCM, you can run through the above calculations and estimate $I_{PK}$ in the inductor (all based on knowing $I_{OUT}$). Then you will know how much voltage will be dropped across the MOSFET when it is "on". If you then want to calculate R1, the data sheet should have the information but please do leave a comment if you need further assistance on this.


Taking a stab at what information is contained in the question would see it operate in DCM if the load is 3 kohm and the switching frequency is 10 kHz: - $$$$ Image alt text

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$I_{PK}$ would be 3.027 amps and, with an RDS of 0.55 ohms, the volt drop would be about 1.7 volts. Personally speaking I think you could find a more suitable MOSFET with slightly lower on resistance (circa 0.1 ohms) that was OK to run up to 300 volts. Given that the output is set to be 180 volts, that shouldn't be a problem.

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Kranulis‭ wrote about 4 years ago

Thanks, Andy! This helps.