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Recently, my home suffered a partial power outage, and due to curiosity and a desire to learn more about residential AC power, I'm trying to understand how the event that took place resulted in the symptoms I observed.

My home is served by split-phase power from a nearby transformer, single-phase power transformed down to 240V with a center tap. For the sake of explanation I refer to the wires coming from the transformer to the main junction box on my house as L1, L2 and G. L1 and L2 are the "hot" wires, the voltage between which should ideally be 240V. G is the center tap wire, which is grounded and should ideally have a voltage difference of 120V to either of L1 or L2.

When the outage occurred, I observed the following:

  • The L1/G voltage difference was 120V (good).
  • The G/L2 voltage difference was 90V (bad).
  • The L1/L2 voltage difference was 30V (very bad!).

Despite my taking these measurements with a generic digital multimeter with a 10 MΩ input impedance (which I'm told is not reliable for this case), I believe them to be accurate as the power company repairmen also made measurements and confirmed that theirs matched my own.

The power company repairman investigated and determined that someone had been digging nearby and nicked the insulation to the L2 cable going from the transformer to my house. He said that this damage resulted in corrosion and build-up of mineral residue from electrolysis, and that the result was that impedance of the L2 cable increased drastically. (This cable was actually a cluster of several thick wires, and he said that sometimes in cases like this the corrosion is so bad that only 2 of the wires in the cluster remain fully intact.)

What I don't understand is how that can result in those voltage measurements. I can understand how high impedance on L2 could cause a drop in the L1/L2 voltage, and how L1/G could remain 120V since the high impedance of L2 would not be a part of the L1/G circuit. But I'm thoroughly puzzled by how the L1/L2 voltage of 30V can be lower than the G/L2 voltage of 90V; it seems like both voltages to the center tap, namely L1/G and G/L2, should sum up to L1/L2... unless some kind of really weird voltage phase shift is going on.

Any answers that could educate me in the aspects of AC electrical power that might explain this would be greatly appreciated!

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When the outage occurred, I observed the following

  • The L1/G voltage difference was 120V (good).
  • The G/L2 voltage difference was 90V (bad).
  • The L1/L2 voltage difference was 30V (very bad!).

If the L2 wire was broken then, due to capacitive coupling between L1 and L2 (and the use of a high impedance voltmeter), the voltage on L2 will appear to be close in value to the L1 voltage. Hence you see a 30 volt difference between L1 and L2 and, L2 is circa 90 volts above ground.

Concusion: L2 is broken and naturally picks up a voltage due to capacitive coupling. I've seen this before.

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coquelicot‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

Something here is missing to explain the L1/L2 voltage (say, a leakage from L2 to G). See the second schematic of Olin. The only difference is that you interpret his cap C1 in another way. But the logic is the same. Perhaps to complete this scenario, add another capacitive coupling to ground, so that L2 is in-between L1 and G.

Joel Lathrop‭ wrote over 4 years ago

Thank you for trying to help me understand the readings, @Andy. I had not thought of capacitive coupling potentially playing a factor.

Andy aka‭ wrote over 4 years ago

@coquelicot there is capacitive coupling between all the wires in the bundle that make up the cable. L2 is not ideally split halfway of course because that would make the L2 voltage become 60 volts.

coquelicot‭ wrote over 4 years ago · edited over 4 years ago

@Andy. Yes, I'm sure this was evident for you, and this is probably hidden inside your terms "picks up". For cranks like me, it takes some time to understand because the pickup voltage is usually measured with a probe referenced to ground (not to the pickup source). So another cap coupling to ground is necessary for understanding how to close the circuit here.
N.B As you pointed out, my term "in-between" above was inappropriate. I meant of course "somewhere between".