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Suppose I have a planar PCB transformer. The primary and secondary coils are printed on different PCBs. The core is inserted through these PCBs to link the two coils. The primary is at a low voltage and the secondary could be sitting at some 10 kV for example. Also, assume that the chosen PCB dielectric material has a high dielectric breakdown voltage capable of withstanding much higher voltages. The creepage and clearance requirements are also assumed to be met. I have the following questions:

  • When should a transformer core be potted? Should it be potted at all? (the size of the planar transformer is less than 3 cm)
  • Can I place the high voltage conductors of the secondary coil on the inner layers considering the high dielectric strength of the PCB.
  • Air has a breakdown voltage of 3000 V/mm. If I wish to prevent arcing because of the 10 kV conductor, I can keep some 4 mm spacing between various components and the core. But, IPC 2221 specifies a much higher clearance requirement for the same. Is this to ensure reliability in various environmental conditions?
  • "The core is at a floating potential that could be anywhere between 0 and 10 kV" - Is this correct?

EDIT: The secondary voltage is low (such as 5 V or 10 V) but with respect to a 10 kV reference.

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When should a transformer core be potted?

Whenever you need some of

  • Mechanical ruggedness.
  • High dielectric strength.
  • Minimize vibrations (and therefore audible whine) from capacitive, inductive, piezo-electric and magneto-restrictive effects.
Can I place the high voltage conductors of the secondary coil on the inner layers considering the high dielectric strength of the PCB.

Since you are using two separate PCBs for the primary and secondary, this doesn't really accomplish anything. You'll need at least one via, so there will be a point insulated only by the solder mask. You could us a blind via, but that's more complicated, and cuts down on the layers you can use for the winding.

Air has a breakdown voltage of 3000 V/mm.

Not really. There is no single figure for air breakdown voltage because there is no single spec for "air". Variations in humidity make a large difference, and pressure also to a lesser extent. 1 kV/mm is a more reasonable figure to use in the absence of a particular spec or standard. Creepage distance also matters since dirt and moisture can form a conductive path.

If this is something you plan to sell, then you need to look into the regulatory requirements and what kind of certification the customers or resellers will demand. There are extra-stringent requirement for some applications, like medical. Each standard will specify the minimum clearance and creepage distances for a particular voltage.

It's not clear whether both windings are low voltage with a high common mode difference, or if the secondary is a high voltage winding. If the latter, you probably can't do this with PCB coils. You won't be able get the turns ratio to go from something considered a "low" voltage to 10 kV. You might be able to use a PCB coil for the primary, then many turns of fine wire for the secondary. Either way, the power transfer will be "small".

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I am sorry that I was not clear in my post about the high voltage conductors at the secondary. This i... (3 comments)
I am sorry that I was not clear in my post about the high voltage conductors at the secondary. This i...

I am sorry that I was not clear in my post about the high voltage conductors at the secondary. This is what I meant: the secondary voltage can be 5 V or 10 V but with respect to a 10 kV reference. Thank you for your answer.

TonyStewart‭ wrote 3 months ago

"When should a transformer core be potted?"

When being attacked by environmental stress from all sides.

"Should it be potted at all? "

It is not mandatory. Consider if Dk affected the frequency applied or the thermal temperature from insulation. This may not be in your case, but just an example.

"Can I place the high voltage conductors of the secondary coil on the inner layers considering the high dielectric strength of the PCB."

certainly.

"IPC 2221 ..ensure reliability in various environmental conditions?"

Certainly. You can often find this in Opto-isolator designs with an air slot milled under the IC

An alternative to an air gap between coplanar coils or potting is to use a thin layer of Kapton or any suitable tape or Mylar or paper sheet that you have tested to provide additional insulation breakdown.

TonyStewart‭ wrote 3 months ago

When I did Hipot testing, I modified the tester with a string of resistors to current limit and prevent destructive failures yet trigger insulation failures in the 100uA test. When I tested 5 MVA transformers to 200kV, I used an AM radio and LeCroy scope to measure partial discharge (PD) events before corona would occur. There is a measurement parameter called PD Inception Voltage or PDIV that measures this before a full breakdown occurs. It may sound like a geiger counter on the AM or SW radio but more repetitive than random. Then if you had a ramped DC HV generator rising 1kV /s the current would be low and if current limited from the output cap, you can measure the PDIV of your solder masks and show improvement with an inexpensive cellulose layer (special paper).

It was common in old tube TV's to use a thin cellulose layer for safety insulation. Perhaps this will add the comfort you need to an excellent design.