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Q&A Ceramic filter vs ceramic resonator

I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC. https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip. Th...

2 answers  ·  posted 1y ago by DeadMouse‭  ·  edited 9mo ago by Lorenzo Donati‭

#8: Post edited by user avatar Lorenzo Donati‭ · 2023-08-12T12:06:43Z (9 months ago)
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#7: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T11:32:35Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • ![LPF](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/MFELeJJXfjT1Knn2gwnMzM1r)
  • I think the problem is in the ceramic resonator I put instead of a ceramic filter (that's why the title). However despite that I can see signal comming on the analog parts of the chip. The amplitude of that signal is above 1Vpp, around 2Vpp. Which is way enough for a proper communication according to specs.
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • ![LPF](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/MFELeJJXfjT1Knn2gwnMzM1r)
  • I think the problem is in the ceramic resonator I put instead of a ceramic filter (that's why the title). However despite that I can see signal comming on the analog parts of the chip, with my oscilloscope. The amplitude of that signal is above 1Vpp, around 2Vpp. Which is way enough for a proper communication according to specs.
#6: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T11:31:54Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • ![LPF](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/MFELeJJXfjT1Knn2gwnMzM1r)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • ![LPF](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/MFELeJJXfjT1Knn2gwnMzM1r)
  • I think the problem is in the ceramic resonator I put instead of a ceramic filter (that's why the title). However despite that I can see signal comming on the analog parts of the chip. The amplitude of that signal is above 1Vpp, around 2Vpp. Which is way enough for a proper communication according to specs.
#5: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T11:21:59Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • ![LPF](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/MFELeJJXfjT1Knn2gwnMzM1r)
#4: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T11:16:38Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • CSTCR6M00G53-R0
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • This is the part I'm looking for: [**LTSH6.0MDB**](http://www.strongelectronics.net/en/product-115-117-226.html)
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • [**CSTCR6M00G53-R0**](https://www.murata.com/en-us/api/pdfdownloadapi?cate=&partno=CSTCR6M00G53-R0)
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
#3: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T09:58:36Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • CSTCR6M00G53-R0
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • CSTCR6M00G53-R0
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V.
  • I have also included the proper low-pass DC filtering in its DC/DC power supply in the board. As mentioned in the datasheet.
#2: Post edited by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T09:56:23Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • CSTCR6M00G53-R0
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.
  • https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf
  • My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.
  • ![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)
  • The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.
  • However I can't find any in the market.
  • But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.
  • What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator?
  • I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.
  • This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.
  • CSTCR6M00G53-R0
  • Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.
  • But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.
  • I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.
  • F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.
  • I use it for powerline communication over DC voltage 12V to 36V
#1: Initial revision by user avatar DeadMouse‭ · 2022-10-15T09:55:36Z (over 1 year ago)
Ceramic filter vs ceramic resonator
I have a design of a power line communication using the following IC.  
https://www.yamar.com/datasheet/DS-SIG60.pdf

My design is the same as the example circuit in the datasheet of the chip.

![Schematic](https://electrical.codidact.com/uploads/rimDu1e5FaEG7hQYiWg6gD2R)

The schematic above uses integrated ceramic filters. There are also some suggested part numbers in the datasheet.  
However I can't find any in the market.  
But I can find many ceramic resonators and crystal resonators instead.

What is the difference between a ceramic filter and a ceramic resonator? 

I have placed a ceramic resonator instead.  
This is the part number I placed instead in the position of F0.

CSTCR6M00G53-R0

Of course I have set up the chip to work at 6MHz (Instead of 5.5MHz which is the default) frequency because that component has center frequency 6MHz.   
But still it doesn't seem to work as expected.  
I can receive bytes but there's a lot of garbage in the communication.

F1 is optional and I didn't include it in the design.