Communities

Writing
Writing
Codidact Meta
Codidact Meta
The Great Outdoors
The Great Outdoors
Photography & Video
Photography & Video
Scientific Speculation
Scientific Speculation
Cooking
Cooking
Electrical Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Judaism
Judaism
Languages & Linguistics
Languages & Linguistics
Software Development
Software Development
Mathematics
Mathematics
Christianity
Christianity
Code Golf
Code Golf
Music
Music
Physics
Physics
Linux Systems
Linux Systems
Power Users
Power Users
Tabletop RPGs
Tabletop RPGs
Community Proposals
Community Proposals
tag:snake search within a tag
answers:0 unanswered questions
user:xxxx search by author id
score:0.5 posts with 0.5+ score
"snake oil" exact phrase
votes:4 posts with 4+ votes
created:<1w created < 1 week ago
post_type:xxxx type of post
Search help
Notifications
Mark all as read See all your notifications »
Q&A

Comments on Changing PCB trace width once signal-to-noise ratio is high

Parent

Changing PCB trace width once signal-to-noise ratio is high

+1
−1

I'm designing a PCB to filter and amplify a differential body signal with amplitude 5 mV up to 5 V. The first part of the circuit consists of a first order highpass filter to remove any DC components from the signal. Then it moves into an instrumentation amplifier for amplification of the differential signal and attenuation of the common mode voltage. The instrumentation amplifier has a common-mode rejection ratio of 120 dB. The first stage of my circuit is seen below.

Image_alt_text

The signal-to-noise ratio before the instrumentation amplifier is 5mV5V=60dB. After the amplifier, the SNR is 60 dB.

I want to maintain the signal integrity of my differential signal. To do this, there should be as little voltage drop of my signal across any impedances on the path to the amplifier as possible. A 0.5mV of "lost signal" is not acceptable. For that reason, I chose to route this first stage with a trace width of 1 mm. According to KiCad's calculator tools, a trace of length 5 mm with this thickness has 2.5mΩ resistance, which I suppose is good enough.

Image_alt_text

My question is: After the amplification stage, the signal now has a 5 V amplitude, and the SNR is much greater. To what trace width am I allowed to go down to? Routing with 1 mm trace width on the entire board is not doable. Would a trace width of 0.2 mm be appropriate? Is there anything I should be aware of when changing the trace width? The board is entirely analog. Not digital circuitry.

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.
Why should this post be closed?

1 comment thread

What's the nature of the signal? (7 comments)
Post
+1
−1

None of these ideas optimize the SNR that you need.

You need to design with error correction or (suppression);

  • 50V/m grid E-field (Right Led Drive RLD) >100 dB suppression
  • AM radio noise (LPF > -40dB @ 1MHz)
  • Galvanic skin response (motion artifacts) (firm electrode strain relief)

If you search for front-ends on EKG/ECG/EMG solutions you will find the best use the common-mode signal fed back to create a CM gnd somewhere on the body not moving much, away from the sensors. This becomes your signal ground but using good medical* isolated supplies or batteries will not conduct much (uA) current. *=low leakage rated/approved.

This can be done with a single supply using an INA ensuring that Vref is near V+/2.

You will never get 120 dB CMRR if you use 1% passives in the front-end and you net a 1% DM/CM error that's a 20 dB CMRR. This is why INA's are used with laser-trimmed errors.

Image_alt_text https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chusak-Thanawattano/publication/261229670_Wearable_wireless_ECG_sensor_with_cross-platform_real-time_monitoring/links/566a430008ae62b05f0296c5/Wearable-wireless-ECG-sensor-with-cross-platform-real-time-monitoring.pdf


Image_alt_text https://www.analog.com/en/resources/analog-dialogue/articles/ecg-front-end-design-simplified.html

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.

1 comment thread

-1 for not answering my question at all. Don't think that because I just don't mention things in my q... (1 comment)
-1 for not answering my question at all. Don't think that because I just don't mention things in my q...
Carl‭ wrote 24 days ago

-1 for not answering my question at all. Don't think that because I just don't mention things in my question that I am not aware of them myself. Also, pictures without any explaining text are not helpful imo.