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ESD Protection - Differential Amplifier

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The circuit is sensing (low side sensing for many reasons) current used to power up the lights with 28V(part of the schematics not shown here -> relay with LC filter on the output side to limit the inrush current). The nominal current flowing through R6 is around 0.2A but could be up to 1.5A in peaks(peaks last around 100ms).

First opamp "A1A" is used to convert the differential signal seen on R6(around 200mV) to a single-ended signal with a ~300Hz.

R14, C9, R16, C8, and C7 are here for diff and common mode filtering(cut-off frequencies shown in the bottom right corner of the picture).

Using R12 and R22 around "A1B" and "A1C" I will trim the precise voltage values so that open circuit and overcurrent events flowing through R6 are detectable.

The information whether the circuit is open or there is overcurrent will be reported through Q5 to another device(not on this PCB - most likely industrial computer 5V Input).


Question

How would you position the TVS diodes around the "A1A" inputs so that circuit stays the same but become as immune to ESD events as possible?

ESD that we are talking about here is +-15kV with 330R and 150pF model(IEC6100-4-2 Class 4).


EDIT Per Andy Aka's suggestion, I am adding more details and maybe further explaining my question. Overall picture

The load is floating while the bus voltage(28V on the picture) could be between 24V and 32V.

I am worried that +-15kV air discharge will kill "A1A" so I want to protect it with clever positioning of TVS Diodes across the opamp inputs.

Why do I think TVS diodes are needed?

If I would use this circuit as-is and expose it to ESD testing I would blow R14 and R16 because they are 125mW rated. Adding TVS in front of it would dump the usual ESD voltage to a level 200-500V where RC filter on the input could do the job easier.

Are TVS diodes needed in order to keep A1 opamp safe during Class 4 ESD strike? If they are not, how to place them?

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Olin Lathrop‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

What "TVS diode"? I don't see a TVS anywhere in that schematic.

2kind‭ wrote over 3 years ago

It's "the TVS diodes". There is no TVS diodes on the schematic but I would like to put them in order to make the circuit ESD immune for both differential and common mode signals.

Andy aka‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

You need to be explicit about the possible voltage levels on current in/out and how much they can vary with respect to the op-amp supplies. If you want decent immunity you should get rid of those 100 nF capacitors on the input too. A lot more information is needed and you need to be clear why you think fitting TVS diodes is needed (never a good idea for immunity reduction but can be a great idea for surge protecting your silicon). Speak!! PS it's 61000-4-2 not 6100-4-2

2kind‭ wrote over 3 years ago

Thanks Andy. I've updated the question above!

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