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My grid dip: how does this electron tube technology work?

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Here is a video of the AN/PRM10, and here is a schematic (I believe the image can be zoomed):

an/prm10

As most commercial grid dip meters produced in the past, this one possesses several functions in addition to the grid dip function. One of these is the "absorption type wavemeter", that allows to measure the frequency of an incoming signal. Here is what they say in the doc: gd2

I'm interested only in the tuning head part (the right box in the above schematic). In fact, I am only interested in understanding the "absorption wavemeter" function, that is, whenever switch S-103 is in diode position (the grid dip function is easier to understand and is not the subject here). Basically, the electron tube acts as a diode, which together with the network formed by the Z-201 coil and the tuning cap, forms a basic resonating detector. But I don't understand how the current flows and how this works.

two important points that took me a while to understand:

  1. in diode position, switch S-103 connects the top wire to the earphone jack, which is in fact a connection to ground: only when the earphone is plugged in, the jack disconnects from ground (by mechanical pressure) and then connects to the the 4k earphone impedance. Anyway, the earphone is not needed for the normal absorption wavemeter function: only micro ammeter M-201 is used. So, basically the top wire is connected to ground and is not powered. Only the filament of the electron tube is powered.

  2. I was told that the grid of the electron tube is able to self biase (to a negative potential) whenever the filament of the tube is warmed.

N.B: The whole documentation of the grid dip can be found Here.

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The schematic is pretty hard to read. A better scan at higher resolution would help. It would also help to explain what this device is supposed to do, and what external connections have what properties. It looks like it has pluggable modules at right, some sort of oscillator, and a control to adjust a meter reading (maybe to null out a signal?). Without knowing the overall purpose, everything else would just be guessing. Olin Lathrop‭ 12 days ago

@Olin Lathrop. I've added a link to the full documentation where everything could be seen. I have to go work, but later, I will add pictures if necessary. coquelicot‭ 12 days ago

Half that page has some foreign script, like Arabic or Hebrew. Besides, I don't want to read a whole manual. You should explain in a paragraph or so what this thing is supposed to do, what the user interface is, etc. I've never heard of a "grid dip" before, and certainly have no idea what you think that means. I noticed that the page you linked to calls it a "test oscillator" and doesn't mention "grid dip". Olin Lathrop‭ 12 days ago

@Olin Lathrop. A grid dip is a very well known device from the past, that is still used by radio ham. [email protected] dip to see tremendously many entries. I am not supposed to write an article here, sorry. Yet, since you say the question is unclear, I have added what I think that should be added to make it clearer. I don't understand why the page I've linked appears to you in foreign script: that's not the case for me. coquelicot‭ 12 days ago

There is a saying: When everyone around you stinks, maybe it is you who has .... your pants. But seriously, back off a bit Olin. Why are you berating everyone, the man gave a good description, if you miss something to answer either ask nicely, don't ask at all, or google it yourself. Kranulis‭ 11 days ago

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The video helped explain a few things, but it's still not clear what the overall purpose of this device is. You showed it clearly producing a signal, but the documentation you quote talks about an incoming signal. The meaning of the current shown on the meter is unclear, and so is the function of the diode/osc switch. Because of all these things, I'm only going to answer very generally.

At first glance, this circuit seems to be using tube V-201 in a most unusual way. It's a JAN-955, which I'm not familiar with and didn't look up. Perhaps this tube is specifically designed for this unusual mode of operation.

It seems what is happening is that the thermionic effect is being used to create a current, which in fact seems to be the only power source for the oscillator. When you heat something to high enough temperature, electrons at the surface move so fast that they sometimes fly off. If they then hit something colder, so they won't fly off again from there, a net stream of electrons flows from hot to cold.

Electron tubes work on this principle by easily allows electrons to flow from the hot cathode to the cold anode, but making it pretty much impossible for electrons to flow in the other direction. That's a basic diode.

In a normal amplifier tube, forward current is encouraged by holding the anode at a positive potential relative to the cathode. The grid voltage can reduce this current by decreasing or even inverting the E field near the cathode. Since the grid is usually held negative relative to the cathode, it doesn't draw any current (the boiled-off electrons won't land on it since they are repelled by the grid's voltage). The result is power amplification. A few volts change at high impedance on the grid can control a substantial anode current.

Your device is using the temperature drop from cathode to anode as a power source. Electrons boil off the hot cathode and land on the cold anode, causing a current. Note that since electrons are negatively charged, the current is actually flowing in to the anode and out the cathode. The anode in your circuit is actually held at negative voltage, powered by the tube itself.

The grid still works to modulate this current. Note that a parallel tuned tank circuit is connected between the plate and grid. This feedback, together with the power provided by the tube itself, forms an oscillator. The tuning knob adjusts the capacitance part of the LC resonant circuit, and the inductance part is changed by selecting different plug-in modules. As a result, this oscillator can be tuned over a wide range of frequencies.

The meter seems to be showing some measure of the plate current. Note that the + side of the meter is tied to ground.

The cathode of V-201 is tied to ground via an inductor. That makes the power supplied by the tube high impedance at high frequencies.

With the high impedance, and the oscillator coil deliberately external to the case, small external signals at the oscillator frequency will have significant and measurable effects on the oscillator. It appears that is the point of this device, which is to measure external fields by how they perturb this very sensitive tuned oscillator.

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@Olin Lathrop. Thx for your answer. That's not me on the video, it's just a video showing the same GDO as mine, where the "emitter" function is used. I think you have rather described the "oscillating detector operation" of the dip meter. The "absorption wavemeter" is something simpler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_wavemeter). I just don't understand the details of their mysterious implementation. The jan-955 is an avatar of the acorn valve (http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0110.htm). coquelicot‭ 12 days ago

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