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Understanding the s11 and s21 coefficients of a microstrip line with resistor to ground

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I thought I understood the theory of scattering parameters, smith charts etc. until I tried a practical example.

The following stupid example is supposed to be a microstrip line shunted by two 100 Ohm resistors to ground, that is, an equivalent resistance of 50 Ohm (also checked at DC with a voltmeter). microstrip 50ohm

Note: the bottom of the plate is copper plated.

Now, I cannot afford a good network analyzer, so I bought a nanoVNA network analyzer (image below). Admittedly, this is a toy, but it is a well regarded toy, especially for frequencies below 300MHz. So, I assume it gives not so bad results for this experiment. nanovna

Note: the analyzer has been calibrated.

Testing the example above, here are the results returned by the nanoVNA:

vnaResults1 The yellow line is s11, approximately -9db, and the blue line is s21, approximately -3.53 db, measured and constant in the range 10kHz - 1GHz.

Now, -9 dB is equivalent to a ratio of 0.34 approximately, and -3.53 db is equivalent to a ratio of 0.66 approximately. I expected S11 to be near 0. Regarding s21, I didn't know exactly what to expect.

Notice that these measurements begin at 10 kHz, where everything should behave like the theory, due to the very low frequency.

Trying to understand these values, I finally found an excellent article, full of practical data.

Now, according to fig. 1, it seems that the stimulus has an output impedance of 50 ohm. This is my first question:

Question 1: Should we assume that network analyzers are built in such a way the stimulus (signal toward the port) has an output impedance of 50 ohm?

Question 2: How to understand the above results ?

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Eureka! thanks to the article cited in the question, I've finally understood the matter.

I will describe here the general procedure for computing the network parameters of a grounded two port device (DUT), without entering into the intuition behind the math. The generalization to more ports is easy.

Let me call "active terminal" the terminal of the analyzer that sends the stimulus, that is, the S11 terminal. Similarly, let me call "passive terminal" the S21 terminal of the analyzer.

The first point to understand is, as vaguely suggested by the cited article, that the signal exiting from the active terminal of the network analyzer has a given output impedance. I believe that in general, most analyzers are built in such a way that this impedance is equal to the characteristic impedance of the usual coaxial cables, that is, 50 ohm. This will be assumed here for the sake of completeness, but be aware that this impedance plays no role in the computations below.

At the other end, the passive terminal entering into the analyzer is terminated by a resistance equal to the characteristic impedance of the cables, that is, 50 ohm again. Thus, we have the following diagram:

DUT

Notice that the analyzer termination impedance seen from the S21 ref plane is 50 ohm at low frequencies, but also at high frequencies because the characteristic impedance of the cable is just 50 ohm. That means that this diagram is valid at all frequencies.

This being said, according to the article cited in the question, with $$a_i = \frac{U_i + Z_0I_i}{2\sqrt{Z_0}}\ \ \text{and} \ \
b_i = \frac{U_i - Z_0I_i}{2\sqrt{Z_0}}, $$ we have, for $(i, j) = (1,1)$ and $(i, j) = (2, 1)$, $$ S_{ij} = \frac{b_i}{a_j}.$$

The rest consists in computing $U_i$ and $I_i$ with complex analysis, using the usual electrical circuit laws. Let us apply that to our problem:

myDUT

We have $$I_1 = U_1 / (50\Omega || 50\Omega) = U_1/25;$$ $$I_2 = -U_2/50 = -U_1/50;$$

Omitting the $1/2\sqrt{Z_0}$ factor that vanishes in the fractions below, we then have $$a_1 = U_1+ \frac{50}{25}U_1 = 3U_1, \ \ b_1 = U_1- \frac{50}{25}U_1= -U_1,\ \ b_2 = U_2 +\frac{50}{50}U_1 = U_1+U_1 = 2U_1.$$

We deduce $$S_{11} = \frac{b_1}{a_1} = -\frac{1}{3} = -0.33\ldots \ \ \text{and}\ \ S_{21} = \frac{b_2}{a_1} = \frac{2}{3} = 0.66\ldots$$ BINGO!!!

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TonyStewart‭ wrote about 4 years ago · edited about 4 years ago

Now that you grasp the basics, the geometry is a big factor moving towards 5% of the wavelength and beyond. Although video SA's are 75 Ohms the std versions are 50 Ohms. But the only difference in coax is the ratio of the conductor radius for outer/inner.

In your example the small solder gap adds C and thus lowers Zo with rising f while L typ. ranges from 5 to 10 nH/cm typ. depending of the log of length/width ratio

TonyStewart‭ wrote about 4 years ago

Then s21 losses in the connector threads of 0.1dB is good 0.5dB is bad, so calibrated torque is important.

coquelicot‭ wrote about 4 years ago

@TonyStewart. What is calibrated torque?

TonyStewart‭ wrote about 4 years ago

That’s the spec on the tightening of the connectors to achieve desired low loss without removal of excessive gold plating.