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If we have the transfer function of a LC high pass filter:

$H(s) = \frac{sL}{sL+\frac{1}{sC}}$

If we want to find the pole of that filter in the end we get:

$s = \frac{j}{\sqrt{LC}}$

and for a sinuisodal input signal $s = j\omega$ the pole exists at the resonant frequency $\omega_{r}$

However if we dont apply a sinuisodal signal at the input s may become a complex number->the frequency of the pole may be complex.But what physical meaning does it have?

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Your question doesn't make a lot of sense.

for a sinusoidal input signal s = jω the pole exists at the resonant frequency ωr.

Actually the pole exists regardless of what the input signal is. The transfer function is a description of what happens with any* input signal.

However if we don't apply a sinusoidal signal at the input s may become a complex number->the frequency of the pole may be complex.

This is the same misconception. The pole is part of the system. It is always there. It has nothing to do with what input might be thrown at that system. The pole doesn't change as a function of the input. The only thing that changes as a function of the input signal is the output signal.


* Any real world signal. Technically, any analytic signal, which means that it is infinitely differentiable. That in turn means the signal or any of its derivatives can't jump instantly. Real world signal always have some finite bandwidth, so can't jump instantly. Such real world signals can then be decomposed into a set of sines. Since we're talking about linear systems, contributions from multiple superimposed input signals can be analyzed separately and their results added to determine the output signal. Therefore, an input signal can be decomposed into a sum of sines, the result of each sine computed separately, then those results added to find the overall output signal. (Credit to user LvW for pointing out "any" should be qualified).

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LvW‭ wrote almost 2 years ago

Quote: "The transfer function is a description of what happens with any input signal." What is the meaning of "any input signal"? To avoid misunderstandings it should be clear that the transfer function is defined for sinusoidal signals only!

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote almost 2 years ago

OK, "any" was too broad. "Any real-world" function would be better, since those can be decomposed to a set of sines. Since the system is linear, each sine component of the input can be treated independently.

MissMulan‭ wrote almost 2 years ago

@LvW "the transfer function is defined for sinusoidal signals only!" why is that true?Why isnt the transfer function applied for a rectangular signal?Just s will be equal to something else instead of jω then.

Canina‭ wrote almost 2 years ago

MissMulan‭ There is no such thing as square waves in the physical world. A "square" wave is just a number of superimposed sine waves.

LvW‭ wrote almost 2 years ago

@ MissMulan You were asking "why is that true" that the transfer function is defined for sinusoidal signals only. I think, definitions cannot be "true" or "false" - definitions are arbitrary determinations which are logical and make sense. The transfer function T(s) of a system is derived from its frequency response A(jw) by replacing jw by s=sigma+jw. And remember: The angular frequency w=2Pi*f is defined for sinusoudal signals only.